Posted by: ultraguy | February 8, 2008

Because of the Increase of Wickedness…

It’s hard to know where to begin in commenting on the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams’ remarks yesterday advocating the adoption of sharia law in Britain (full text here). They are so full of misconceptions, illogic, verbally elegant but deeply misguided pandering to moral relativism and multi-culturalism, moral sleights-of-hand, myopic foolishness and outright lies that a full ‘fisking’ would take hours if not days. It would also draw attention towards such capitulatory dreck rather than towards the very simple and eternal truth that the Church of England seems sadly unable to see anymore, and quite loathe to defend.

From a secular perspective, the comments of British Culture Secretary Andy Burnham are some of the clearest available:

“This isn’t a path down which we should go. The system, the British legal system, should apply to everybody equally. You cannot run two systems of law alongside each other. That in my view would be a recipe for chaos, social chaos. British law has to be based on British values. If people choose to live in this country, they choose to abide by that law and that law alone. It has got to be fundamental and a cornerstone of our country and our democracy that everybody is equal before that one system of British law.

The Archbishop may be right about one thing: sharia is probably inevitable, as this predictably supportive Guardian op-ed seems to argue. What the Archbishop fails to perceive is that this is so in part because he has decided that sharia is desirable. He is an actor in this drama, taking the side that will eventually eviscerate has already decimated his institution. Don’t miss this lovely coda from the Evening Standard piece from which I got Burnham’s comment:

This morning it also emerged that Sharia crime courts are already operating in parts of Britain.

In other words, the horse has already left the barn and the Archbishop is simply encouraging it to run faster. No wonder Tony Blair joined the Catholic church.

UPDATE: George Weigel, Distinguished Senior Fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center, speaking on the Dennis Prager show yesterday promoting his book, “Faith, Reason and the War Against Jihadism” says the following, sixteen minutes into the show:

“I am quite convinced, that by the middle of the twenty-first century, there are parts of Europe that will be extensions of the Arab-Islamic world. I think an Islamic Republic of the Netherlands, for example, is entirely within the realm of possibility. Ditto for Belgium. Perhaps the south of Spain…”

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Well, now that I have read the lecture, (n Lenin could have given him pointers on brevity.) it is not quite as bad as I feared, but more muddled than I had hoped. Part of what he talks about is the conflict between religious and civil law, as, in the example he cites of tension between the Roman Catholic adoption agencies and new special rights in law for homosexuals. That is not a problem of conflicting systems of law. Rather, it is a problem of the government meddling where it ought not to do, trying to force the adoption of a new kind of morality, or for the acceptance of various kinds of immorality. Reduced meddling would bring reduced tensions.

OTOH, permitting the extension of barbarism, like female mutilation, forced marriage, honor killings, that were against our law and British law when the Muslims immigrated, is stupid for a very important reason. It is Western law that made the West a desirable place to live. Maybe ignorant Muslims do not recognize that, but it is true. Whatever they say, once they get here, they have come to live in our countries, not the other way around, by their own choice. If they do not like the outcome of that choice, they are free to make another.
Certainly there exist marriage tribunals, which decide whether a marriage or divorce is permitted, by persons who wish to remain a part of that religious community. However, the State’s interests, in peaceful transfer of property and in the broad welfare of children, are not simply private matters of conscience., because, very simply, they affect all of us, whether we are members of that church, or synagogue or mosque, or some other, or none. The only penalty permitted these tribunals,

I thought that the entire article wasn’t “as bad” as the initial headline and 1st paragraph would lead one to believe (but it almost never is), however, if an ARCHBISHOP-level authority of my church were ever to publicly spout such a continuous drivel of near-nonsense, I would question the church’s appointment of such a man. Sadly, the Church of England doesn’t seem to be alone in appointing and retaining such men.

“Depravity” may be a good tag here.

One wonders why, if it’s appropriate to cede legal authority directly to islamists, it’s not equally appropriate to do so with Christianity. It is either permissible to do so with any religion (leading to balkanization, chaos and tribal warfare) or else it is inappropriate and we ought to perpetuate democracy and pluralism.

Ops,I had not realized that the comment posted, incomplete and without editing. Well’ I’ll add that line at the end, the penalty is expulsion from the religious community. This was also true of the Medieval Inquisition. The Church jealously guarded “benefit of clergy<” because this privilege of being tried in Church courts, rather than civil ones, protected even very minor clergy from the truly severe penalties of civil law. Deciding whether one’s divorce or other relationship made one ineligible for membership in the group is a valid sort of procedure. Crime, however, affects us all. It is a state matter. We fought this battle eight hundred years ago, and were pretty well satisfied with the outcome. The society in general would not benefit from the adoption of Sharia or any other private law, and therefore, society in general should not permit it.

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