WELCOME Andrew Sullivan readers! (July 8, 2009)
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ORIGINAL POST:
Some memes are so appropriate they begin popping up in multiple places at once without a whole lot of coordination. I recall reading — sometime last week — a passing comparison between Sarah Palin and the Bible’s Queen Esther on a blog comment thread I can no longer find. So this morning, the thought pops back in my head and, curious, I Google ‘Esther’ and ‘Palin’.
What should turn up? A New York Times article on exactly that, fresh this morning! Go figure. I don’t even read the NYT that much anymore. (H/T: The Deacon’s Bench) Here’s the lede (and yes, it’s spelled l-e-d-e):
Shortly after taking office as governor in 2006, Sarah Palin sent an e-mail message to Paul E. Riley, her former pastor in the Assembly of God Church, which her family began attending when she was a youth. She needed spiritual advice in how to do her new job, said Mr. Riley, who is 78 and retired from the church.
“She asked for a biblical example of people who were great leaders and what was the secret of their leadership,” Mr. Riley said.
He wrote back that she should read again from the Old Testament the story of Esther, a beauty queen who became a real one, gaining the king’s ear to avert the slaughter of the Jews and vanquish their enemies. When Esther is called to serve, God grants her a strength she never knew she had. [emphasis added]
CNN ran with the same basic facts last Wednesday.
Just a few short months ago, I sat at the kitchen table of Rev. Paul Riley and his wife, Helen, in Wasilla, Alaska. This soft-spoken elderly couple may be two of just a handful of people who are not surprised by her nomination as John McCain’s choice for vice president of the United States.
Palin grew up in the Rileys’ church, and they share a sense of destiny about Palin’s future. When she was elected governor, Riley told Palin that like the Old Testament story of Queen Esther, she had “come to the Kingdom for such a time as this.” [emphasis added]
So what’s all this then about a 2,500-year-old Old Testament short story, sandwiched between Nehemiah and the better known Job that doesn’t even make an “explicit reference to God, worship, prayer, or sacrifice”? (as my NIV Study Bible notes). Perhaps a lot. My NIV annotation goes on to point out that the absence of explicit God references in the story “…heighten[s] the [awareness] that it is God who controls and directs all the seemingly insignificant coincidences…” I.e., in the historical story and, by extension, in the world in general, throughout all time and eternity.
I’ll admit to being a complete biblical moron (on this at least) until just six months ago. (Now I’m merely a moron). I only became acquainted with Esther when a friend preached on it during a lay speaking class we took back in March. It’s one of the easier stories to follow in the Bible: a tight set-up, then lots of tension, intrigue and a surprise ending, all revolving around just a couple of characters. It’s also short–both each chapter and the whole thing. Definitely a one-cupper (coffee, that is). Here are the seven chapters:
one, (Queen Vashti deposed)
two (Esther made Queen and Mordecai uncovers a conspiracy),
three (Haman’s plot to destroy the Jews),
four (Moredecai persuades Esther to help)
five (Esther’s request to the King and Haman’s rage against Mordecai),
six (surprise ending, part I),
seven (surprise ending, part II)
The biblical Queen Esther came out of virtually nowhere, based in large part on her looks (though she was, clearly, smart). She was not really seeking power. By the time the story takes place, she is a well-known if not longstanding public figure (Queen). As the New York Times noted last May, before things got hot and partisan all of a sudden:
“Sarah Palin, the Republican governor of Alaska, is on many lists [for first female President]— she’s known as a reformer as well as for riding a motorcycle…”) [emphasis added]
(As a side note, for you biblical non-morons, anyone wants to make the comparison between ‘Queen’ Hillary and Queen Vashti, please be my guest.)
One major (and creepily precise) parallel involves Esther’s role in averting an impending Jewish holocaust brought on by deep hatred on the part of a few nut-job Persians in positions of power. (Persia = modern-day Iran). That’s the same Iran that has vowed to wipe Israel off the map and is well on their way to acquiring the nuclear weaponry to do so — with no effective opposition (and considerable de facto support) from the international community. And along comes tough, clear-eyed, plain-speaking Sarah Palin.
Despite the MSM’s hypocritical attempts to change the subject to her supposed irresponsibility in not staying home and baking cookies, she is rather well versed in international affairs. (Go watch The Speech.)
Having a true view of human nature and an understanding that evil really does exist is an excellent starting point — far better, I might argue than the globe-trotting, camera-hogging moral equivalence stuff we’re getting from Obama and his hundreds of advisors. (I still marvel at his comment that the Russian invasion of Georgia should be taken up by the UN Security Council… a body in which Russia has a unilateral veto. My two-year-old niece could figure that one out without much coaching, I suspect.)
But I digress. As I wrote last week, one of the reasons for optimism (though hardly the only one) around Palin’s knowledge of foreign affairs includes her dealings with Russia:
Russia. They are becoming (if they ever stopped being) one of our most formidable adversaries. Georgia (the country, not the U.S. state) is just the beginning. They also support Iran. There will be a showdown. And Palin’s state is the only one that directly borders them. Back in the ’80s, in the waning days of the Cold War, a woman whose name escapes me at the moment, swam from Big Diomede to Little Diomede Island in the Bering Strait (or maybe it was the other way ’round). From the U.S. to Russia. From Alaska to Russia. They’re that close. One can see Russia from Palin’s home state. Fishing grounds overlap and she’s had to deal with negotiating and maintaining good relations there. OK, it’s fishing, not nukes, but it’s nonetheless deadly serious…
There’s no need to overplay that one. It is what it is — ultimately an incremental point. We have to keep in mind though, is that it is McCain’s extensive experience in war and foreign affairs (recall that he lived in a foreign country, albeit involuntarily, for over seven years) that should be compared with Obama’s. The fact that his #2 passes the test also is merely a bonus.
So have that cup of coffee, brush up on your Iran/Russia/Israel headlines, read the Book of Esther, and let me know what you think. It just may be that Sarah Palin was made for just such a time as this.
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By: Rhymes With ‘Biblical’ « New Wineskins on October 22, 2008
at 9:37 pm
Eugene wrote: “Christians voting blindly is why we are where we are!”
So, Eugene, want to see some of the mountain of research I’ve collected on Obama? Get ready to NOT vote blindly in this election, but you got to be willing to spend some time doing real research. If, after reading all of this info on Obama you still choose to vote for him AND claim to be a Christian, you are as big a fraud as he.
1) Obama’s mother was not a Christian as he claims rather she was an avowed atheist and Marxist. Some family values, Eugene.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/politics/obama/chi-0703270151mar27-archive,0,2623808.story
2) Obama was AGAINST the Born Alive Infant Protection Act in Illinois as state Senator. That put’s him to the left of every other liberal US Senator and even NARAL, the most radical abortion rights organization in the US. It also means that he was fighting to continue to allow babies who survived abortions to be shelved and die. What do you think of his heart for living, breathing children? Guess some of them just don’t have the right to live even though they are born and given birth certificates. Some family values, Eugene.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=24481
3) Obama’s boyhood mentor praised the Red Army and dissed Christ. Frank Marshall Davis, coyly referred to as just Frank in Obama’s memoirs, was a member of the Communist party, wrote poetry laced with racism and obviously hated Christians. Some family values, Eugene!
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/obamas-red-mentor-praised-red-army/
4) Curious as to what Community Organizing is all about? Here’s a great article from The New Republic detailing Obama’s years in Chicago as a Community Organizer and how he hooked up with Jeremiah Wright. Saul Alinsky was known as the founder of community organizing and Obama was not only trained in his methods but became a trainer of his methods. Alinsky’s book RULES FOR RADICALS spells out the tactical methods of community organizing. Here are a couple of those methods: always organize to self-interest, ridicule your opponent and hold your opponent to his own rules, no matter how small because no one can keep their own rules. Further, Saul Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer because in Alinsky’s opinion, Lucifer was was the greatest radical of them all. Some family values, Eugene.
http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=a74fca23-f6ac-4736-9c78-f4163d4f25c7&p=1
5) Jeremiah Wright. Well, one could go on for hours on the topic of Rev. Wright. In the above article, Lizza, the author, casually mentions that Wright is a former black Muslim. Jerome Corsi documents this fact in his book OBAMA NATION. But never mind that. Wright is a preacher of Black Liberation Theology. Until recently, Trinity United Church of Christ proudly posted their “Black Value System” on their website, but have since taken it down and reworked their site: http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/17/trinity-united-church-of-christ-makes-changes-to-web-site/
You can still view an archived version of the Black Value System from this link at bottom: Click here to read the Internet archived Web site.
Such a church teaches a race-obsessed world view steeped in Marxist theology strung with some Chistian lingo just to make us feel comfortable. It isn’t however a real deal Christian church. It is clearly an apostate church. Some family values, Eugene.
6) Louis Farrakhan, Leader of the Nation of Islam, a big supporter of Obama and tight friend of Jeremiah Wright. Here’s Louis Farrakhan preaching at a rally and calling Obama the Messiah. Some family values, Eugene.
By: Sheila on October 15, 2008
at 11:56 pm
Eugene wrote: “I do not wish to be the least bit harsh against parents who fail their children…”
Sarah has not failed her children, Eugene. But, you apparently love bragging about your own.
So, I hope they are as wonderful as you say. If they are, then they have more wisdom then you do about this election.
By: Sheila on October 15, 2008
at 9:36 pm
Eugene wrote: “It is amazing how Christians place party affiliation over character.”
Considering all of the lies you are telling about Sarah Palin, what does that say about your character???
By: Sheila on October 15, 2008
at 9:32 pm
Eugene wrote: “After being a Republican all my life it is my distinct pleasure to vote for Obama, whose family values are the exact opposite of Palin or McCain and mirror those that I have successfully identified with through 50 years of marriage (unlike McCain) to the same woman.”
If you are indeed a Christinal, your lack of wisdom in this election is astounding. Obama is one of the most deceitful men to ever run for public office, not just the presidency. Only a small bit of research will prove my point and I’ve done tons of research on the man.
Further, your smearing of Sarah Palin and her family is despicable. I don’t know where you get your information — Daily KOS maybe??? — but you are spreading lies about her.
Remember, the Bible warns about slandering others and you are telling lies about Sarah Palin.
Shame, Shame on YOU!
By: Sheila on October 15, 2008
at 9:26 pm
Amazing , but my comments did not show up at all on my computer and it appeared that you had deleted them. But it appears you changed your mind and have allowed them to stand so, thanks! Hopefully they produce some rational discussion about the facts.
By: Eugene on October 9, 2008
at 1:34 pm
I really thought my comments were going to be too difficult for you to handle so I am not surprised at your deletion. What I am surprised about is you being disengenuous in not considering all available information and burying your head in the sand about that which you don’t like or that which blows away your preconceived perceptions. I had given you more credit than that. Christians voting blindly is why we are where we are!
After being a Republican all my life it is my distinct pleasure to vote for Obama, whose family values are the exact opposite of Palin or McCain and mirror those that I have successfully identified with through 50 years of marriage (unlike McCain) to the same woman.
By: Eugene on October 9, 2008
at 12:47 am
Please forbear one other comment. It was really not that long ago that Christians banded together for laws that outlawed alcoholic beverages as alchohol has been and always will be the worst and most prevalent drug. The nation found that the law could not be enforced so the laws were eventually repealed.
Isn’t it interesting that the candidate who the majority of Christians support is with his wife one of the largest distributors of the worst drug of all…alchohol. Only God knows how many lives young and old have been affected by their product yet Christians seem to be in lock step behind what really are…sophisticated drug peddlers. Frankly, I just don’t get it!
By: Eugene on October 8, 2008
at 9:50 pm
It is amazing how Christians place party affiliation over character. McCain has never given any indication whatsoever that his many and grievous sins are “covered by the blood”. Sarah Palin professes Christianity but went off to Las Vegas to marry her boyfriend as she was pregnant. Fine, forgiven, but if a lady chooses to have children they become her most important responsibility. Yet her 20 year old son had many difficulties, joining the Army, not out of patriotism as we are led to believe, but to stave off a jail term. Her 15 year old daughter, according to friends got into drugs and sex and is now pregnant at 17. Looking at these results her other children need serious prayer! (and their mother)
I am a father of 4 daughter and 1 son, all now grown and none of whom got into any of those sorts of troubles. Yes, God was merciful, but it did not just happen. Unlike Sarah Palin, their mom thought the most important career was being a mom and being there for her children. Now, unlike the Palin children, one daughter ministers to the world through music, one daughter ministers to young people as a dean of a Christian universtiy, my son is a Christian physician, and the other 2 daughters serve the Lord in every way they can. And every one of my now 13 grandchildren who have reached the age, have accepted Christ and are serving him, with not a single child or grandchild having these sorts of moral failures.
I do not wish to be the least bit harsh against parents who fail their children, but these results of Palin parenting speak loudly of their values. As a ministers son, Christian since 9, and church lay leader for years…forgetting any gender requirements but looking at other scriptural requirements, due to family failures, Sarah Palin would not even qualify for a board member in our church let alone be considered as the “new” Esther for the nation.
The Old Testament was written to and for God’s chosen people the Jews, not America. It is time for those who continually twist Old Testament scriptures to apply to a democratic America to recognize that the body of Christ, born again believers are the chosen people of God, not America as a whole. It is time for truly born-again people to stop trying to change the nation through politics and get back to preaching the gospel Christ gave us the mandate to preach. And nowhere in there do I find the word Republican. What America needs is not new laws forcing reformation, but the powerful message of the Gospel that brings regeneration! Sure maybe we could ban abortion, homosexual activity, and all the other evils of society, but without the New Birth experience, we have just created a better grade of citizen for an eternal Hell.
By: Eugene on October 8, 2008
at 9:33 pm
What Ashleigh said.
By: ultraguy on October 8, 2008
at 11:26 am
Tammy said: “If I remember correctly O’Bama was just a candidate until he rode around on Oprah Winfrey’s Skirt and became popular.”
So true. Palin’s work ethic, competency, and intelligence are so admirable to me. Obama has mostly been created by the media, Hollywood liberals, and liberal Democrats. He is a smooth talker, and people like that. He talks good, looks good, and has been called the “cult of personality.”
I’ll be honest– it feels cultish to me… the fervor and devotion, and the hatred for anyone who opposes him. I don’t want to go so far by saying antichrist or hitler… but the whole “Obama movement” or “Obama nation” that we seem to be becoming… and the things he proposes- nationalized health care, for instance– it feels as if government is going to just take control over our lives under Obama. And it sends chills down my spine.
So, I have to strengthen my faith in God and trust that He is in control. I have been praying for the election, and for Sarah Palin with the vile things being said about her, and I just pray that God’s will be done.
Since Old Testament times, people have wanted kings and leaders and rulers, but they will not submit to God. They want human leaders who will do for them (fix all their woes) what only God can do! But they do not want God because they love their sin, and they would rather worship their way… worship idols, glorify people, and live in their sin.
Obama is the answer for this generation’s need and want for a god. He doesn’t preach to them, doesn’t convict them, he joins them at their parties and on their talk shows, he hobnobs with their celebrities… in other words, he isn’t God, but yet they want him to deliver and be a god in their lives. In the end, they will be very disappointed and deceived by their own expectations and the realization that Obama is only a man.
That’s what I see with Obama. His “followers” say that he is “the one” who will “lead ‘em” (as children sing about in an Obama video) and he will “change” everything. Isn’t Jesus the ONE who will lead ‘us and bring change to our lives and world???
Sigh….
I’ve been happy about Palin because she understands this. She worships God, and she has the mind of Christ as a believer. If we must have human leaders and government, that is someone I want as my nation’s leader!
By: Ashleigh on October 7, 2008
at 11:19 pm
There was one other thing here posted that I strongly agree with. Our Media is evil and very misleading. If people would only see this the people of this world could pull together and make wiser choices instead of clouded ones!
By: Tammy on October 7, 2008
at 11:56 am
Hello to everyone and thanks for the interesting reading. There are a lot of good points brought up here. I watched the VP debates, I had made my mind up a while ago that I was not going to vote this time as I did not think any of my choices were good but after watching I have decided to vote. I really liked Palin and what she stands for. A lot of people said they thought she did poorly during the debates and did not answer the questions asked of her. I remember her saying maybe the moderators questions were not getting answered as they wanted or in the order asked and she backed up to what they were discussing before. I see this as she was honest and she was not going to leave something unfinished or hanging. She also had a stance on gay rights, she believed everyone should have equal rights but she would not redefine marriage being one man to one woman. There is tons of things I could say about her, bottom line is she says it and really means it. She also got to where she is today on her own. If I remember correctly O’Bama was just a candidate until he rode around on Oprah Winfrey’s Skirt and became popular.
By: Tammy on October 7, 2008
at 11:52 am
Jeff D. said: “She has been proved a liar on numerous occasions.”
By whom?
I’ll answer that for you. By the mainstream media. A mainstream media who is literally blood-thirsty in their attempts to win the White House. Who is utterly consumed with contempt towards Pres. Bush, Sarah Palin, and anything righteous or godly or moral. Who manipulates viewers and readers… viewers and readers who don’t even realize they are being manipulated and thus, they don’t get all the facts because they rely only on mainstream media news.
Do you watch “The View?” This is a prime example of media’s influence on us and their love of Obama and hate of Palin. They grilled McCain when he was on their show. They are constantly arguing with Hasslebeck (a Republican) about Palin, McCain, Obama. Palin “scares” them, etc. They do not hide that they are pro-Obama and anti-Palin. Now… when Obama was on their show, here is what Barbara Walters said,” We shouldn’t tell you this… but we think you are really sexy… giggle, giggle.”
If you watch a Youtube video of Charles Gibson’s interview with Obama, you will see a COMPLETELY different interview than his interview with Palin. He askes one politically related question. The rest of the questions highligh his “superstar” status as an amazing black-man-rising-to-the-top story. He asks about his dad, his mom, his wife, his kids, his dreams, his childhood. He smiles (something he didn’t do with Palin).
This campaign is not between Obama and McCain. It is between media/Hollywood/Obama and McCain, and the true winners in the end, if Obama wins, will be the media… because they are the ones who, I believe, will control and influence the outcome of this election. Unless God intervenes in a mighty way, they will win.
Sarah Palin has not been “proved” a liar. She has only been “proved” a liar if you get your news from the mainstream media.
By: Ashleigh on October 5, 2008
at 6:24 pm
Alicerbob:
1 Corinthians 1:25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (For he who claims to be spirit filled but doesn’t ask God for discernment.)
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” .
Those are the verses I have often thought of during this election time. I keep thinking of how he uses the “weak” things to confound the wise. I once thought it really meant weak things- in other words, we had to be weak or the thing was literally weak. Now, I realize that it might be a thing, or person, who is only viewed as being weak. In other words, Sarah is a “weak” choice and a “weak” person in the world’s eyes. And she truly does “confound” them (esp. liberal feminists).
I wish I understood more God’s plan in all of this. It seems as if He raised up this woman for this time, and I truly believe that, simply because of the amazing, unprecedented response of hatred towards her and who she is and what she represents… and because of her strength in the midst of it. Only a called person with a strong faith could face what she has faced! But, it seems that they (haters, liberals, etc) are “winning” and I feel confused as to what God’s plan in all of this is.
I can’t imagine He would call her to this only to have her “crucified” by the media, Hollywood, and Obama’s supporters, and then to have her disappear if he wins….
By: Ashleigh on October 5, 2008
at 6:15 pm
Angela C.
Thank you for posting that website!
By: Ashleigh on October 5, 2008
at 6:09 pm
“Having a true view of human nature and an understanding that evil really does exist is an excellent starting point — far better, I might argue than the globe-trotting, camera-hogging moral equivalence stuff we’re getting from Obama and his hundreds of advisors.”
That is a great comment… something I have thought but haven’t been able to put words to. Yes, she’s “inexperienced” (so is Obama… and the fact of the matter, none of them has presidential experience- none of them have yet served in that capacity), etc… but Christian worldviews are good and right worldviews. To view the world without God in that view is basically atheism. And to view the world with a wrong view of God is foolishness.
It astounds me how media are calling her a “liar” and that she is deceitful, etc… when these very peopls are themselves liars and deceitful- they say things to manipulate us, they give us half-truths or no truths at all. They do not have “the mind of Christ” and thus, there is not a conviction within them that what they are doing is wrong. They delight in mockery, slander, and hate of Sarah Palin.
But I do not believe she has lied. I suppose this is because I have gotten the “whole story” on things that mainstream media calls “lies,” and I’ve gotten them from non- main stream meadia sites (like fox news or newsbusters.com). I believe that the media wants us to believe that she is indeed both a liar, and a hypocrite, and I wish Christians would see that they are manipulating us. They want Obama to win, and since they are not godly people, they will do whatever they need to to see that he does. They present us time and time again with more and more negative comments about Sarah Palin. And the only reason that people call Sarah a liar is because the media calls her a liar. They hear it and read it in the media, and unfortunately, they believe it, even though they’ve been manipulated to believe it.
For instance, the Gibson interview. ABC edited poorly and Palin looked ignorant, until I saw the entire interview (shown 2 days later late at night) in which I said, “Oh… wow… tha’ts what she really said.” ABC edited her comments in such a way that a person would not get the whole truth by watching only the first two interviews. They cut off things she had said, etc. And Gibson himself misquoted things she’s said. It’s just truly, truly a shame and it’s all so wrong, and I am just praying fervently for God to intervene on her behalf and on the behalf of this nation.
At this point, only God’s intervention can “save” us from this nation’s ungodly leadership (I’m not thinking Bush…. I’m thinking Pelosi, Wall Street, Fannie Mae, Obama…). The media is one with them, and thus, and most Americans are completely manipulated and don’t even realize it. God is either going to allow Obama to win and his liberalness to reign, or He will somehow thwart those plans of the democrats. Either way, we have to trust that He is in control.
By: Ashleigh on October 5, 2008
at 6:08 pm
thank you for your excellent work on this site. I am inviting you to join the Sarah Palin Society.
http://www.sarahpalinsociety.com
God bless you. We are fasting and praying for Sarah until after the debate this evening.
Angela C.
By: angela on October 2, 2008
at 5:11 pm
Here are some scriptures that come to mind related to this discussion:1 Corinthians 1:25
For the foolishness of God is wiser than man’s wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man’s strength.
1 Corinthians 2:14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. (For he who claims to be spirit filled but doesn’t ask God for discernment.)
1 Corinthians 3:19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God’s sight. As it is written: “He catches the wise in their craftiness” .
Many are praying that Sarah Palin will speak the voice of God in clarity to this Nation while she has an audience. Our Nation is in peril if we Christians do not stay on our knees and repent for minding our own business in apathy while our Nation was promoting wicked ways to the world through our media and news. If we don’t pray, we will continue to sew what we have reaped, abortion out of control, sexual promiscuity out of control, homosexuality out of control, spiritual oppressions such as cutting, bulemia, anorexia, ADD, ADHD. Lord have mercy on us and cleanse all of us from unrighteousness. Sarah Palin, preach it!!! May the Lord Jesus use your voice during the VP debate!
By: alicerbob on October 1, 2008
at 7:18 pm
Thanks Sakura!
By: ultraguy on September 30, 2008
at 5:37 pm
Be warned about people who seem like bringers of light, but are in reality untrue in their meanings.
Jeff D. is an astroturfer. A person who is allied with people like David Axelrod, the political strategist for Barack Obama’s campaign. They are not to be trusted, as they are vipers in a bird’s nest, designed to look like branches but carrying a deadly poison.
The comparison of Esther and Sarah Palin is accurate and apt for this time period. And it does work.
By: Sakura Kisai on September 30, 2008
at 4:48 pm
Jeff – You have not been blocked however your comments did end up in my spam filter.
“John McCain: Missed 374 votes (61.8% of total)
Barack Obama: Missed 263 votes (43.5% of total)”
This was/is not about missed votes. It is about votes in which the senator(s) voted “present”, meaning they were inadequately informed or had no opinion. They are two different things entirely and on that count, Sen. Obama leads the pack by a wide margin. Life-and-death questions are, by his own admission, “above his pay grade”.
Yes, I read plenty of sources I disagree with, as I have noted in recent posts and would know if you had read them. Do so next time before slamming your host or you will be shut off.
You seem very worked up about this so I will not inflame you further. I pray that all voters see through to the truth in this difficult season. It is there. It is eternal. It is unchanging. One of us is swallowing lies.
By: ultraguy on September 29, 2008
at 7:12 am
The Sarah Palin/Esther comparison is pretty limited. It makes some sense, but most of us would not advocate for it as the determining factor in a vote.
The cry in of the peasants, in the Peasants revolt of 1381 was, “When Adam delved and Eve span, who was then the gentleman?” Now, as then, we do not believe that we are being governed by “our betters.” We did not all go to Harvard, but an awful lot of us did attend college, and we had professors there, some of whom were Harvard graduates, and yes, when we were nineteen, we were quite in awe of them. Most of us outgrew that. Everyone in America is middle class, except for a few government officials, and entertainment figures. Those of us who are also middle INCOME have seen what the government can do for us, and what they can fall into and mess up. Few of us, when pressed in any detail, can cite examples of government actually helping, and certainly not to the degree that we pay for this “help.” Most of us jumped-up peasants, and that is what the middle class is, think that we can take better care of ourselves than the government can take care of us. Some people believe that the government might help someone else, but that belief, too, is one many of us eventually outgrow.
We see Governor Palin as one of us, sharing that quite reasonable view.
As for a Christian supporting the death penalty, some do. I do not, but that is a point on which we have to agree to differ. The quote about “war as God’s will” appears to be a deliberate distortion, since several words and phrases were elided to make her appear to say something the opposite of what she actually is on tape as saying. She was, in fact, quoting Abraham Lincoln, who said we ought not to pray for God to be on our side, but for us to be on God’s side. I realize that the misquote has been carried far and wide, no doubt well circulated in Norway, as elsewhere in Europe. We read the Spiegal and Le Monde and BBC websites in this country. We are well aware of what is presented as fact, and believe me, if things were really as bad as they are made to sound, we’d be out of here like lemmings.
Finally, the idea of Gov.Palin being hopelessly naive about foreign affairs is supposed to trigger an emotional response related to a similar meme about President Bush, the clumsy, ignorant ‘cowboy’ who stumbled us into war. In fact, if France had not believed, as our oil companies also did until this country was actually attacked, that they could do business with Saddam Hussein, they’d have been the first ones off the transport planes into Iraq. This was just not a question of greater subtlety versus naivete, but of diverging national interests, and, in America, of a political party ready to sacrifice victory in war for electoral victory at home. Rather than try to argue that point, the leftward media prefer to treat is as established fact, which is easier to do if the jump over it to the next supposition, in this case, Palin’s ignorance.
By: Michael on September 28, 2008
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Didn’t think of paying a (admittedly somewhat back-handed) compliment about Palin’s “pretty little head” as sexist, but okay. I stand corrected.
Here’s the attendance record for the 110th Congress according to the Washington Post’s database:
John McCain: Missed 374 votes (61.8% of total)
Barack Obama: Missed 263 votes (43.5% of total)
Do YOU put any weight on that? Or that McCain has flipped on so many positions that he does not even closely resemble who he was just a few years ago?
Palin claims to be a spirit-filled, born again Christian, as I am, and as I assume most Christians who share your viewpoint are. I therefore hold her up to a higher standard, since she is an example due to her position. She has been proved a liar on numerous occasions. If you need to ask what specifically, then I in turn ask YOU–do you read news sources that you disagree with?
In answer to your question to me, yes, I definitely do.
I only drew the comparison between Palin and Obama because that has been the standard right-wing response to any questions about Palin’s lack of experience.
In fact, you said… “Re. SP not being ‘qualified’, puhleese. I beg you to expand on that one. No. Really. Go for it. Presuming you are an Obama supporter however, mark my words: it will be counter-productive for your candidate, just as it has been for the MSM. That is, in part, the beauty of McCain’s choice and of her candidacy: she’s more qualified as VP than Obama is as President.”
I never said I am “very clear on who is a proper Christian and who is not.” But if someone claims to be a born-again Christian, not a generic “Christian” like most Americans claim, but truly have a one-on-one relationship with God and claim Jesus Christ as their personal Lord and Savior, then I am truly disgusted when this same person is lying, and lying badly. And refusing to cooperate with investigations that directly relate to the type of morals and ethics this person has. Investigations, I might add, that she initially welcomed.
And I’m sorry…negotiating fishing relations with one of the most underpopulated parts of Russia, is hardly “deadly serious”. Or foreign policy experience.
I hope you don’t think I was trying to be disrespectful. I truly was and am not. I simply and strongly disagree. May God bless us all, and may we pick the leader that will actually help our country, not hurt it further.
The previous “man of God” that is still currently running things has done enough of that.
By: Jeff D. on September 28, 2008
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Jeff – As to your first ad hominem and sexist comment (e.g., ‘pretty little head’), it’s hard to know where to begin. I would not even want to think, much less write the equivalent about your candidate. You seem very clear on who is a proper Christian and who is not. I wonder how you know so clearly and even more oddly, how the secular media knows.
Do you read news sources you disagree with? Are you aware of all of Senator Obama’s major gaffes? (See previous comment; go Google ‘57 states’, etc.) Do you realize you are comparing a VP candidate to the head of the Democratic ticket? (Winning that argument gets you nothing other than the right to continue arguing for a “McCain dies in office” scenario.)
Do you put any weight on the fact that Obama has voted ‘present’ over 130 times? Before I go further, I will simply pray that you and I see one another for who Christ wants us to be and not to fall for the lies that, by your logic, one of us must be swallowing wholesale.
By: ultraguy on September 28, 2008
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Jeff – thanks for stopping by. (Really.)
As to your second comment, I’m suggesting only what I wrote: “she’s had to deal with negotiating and maintaining good relations there [i.e., with Russia]. OK, it’s fishing, not nukes, but it’s nonetheless deadly serious”
It should be apparent from context that my comments are, 1) just one of many factors to consider (did you read the original post in full?) and, 2) comparative, i.e., we are not evaluating Governor Palin as VP against some strawman ideal, but against a presidential aspirant who thinks that Iran is a “small country” that poses no real threat to us. Now that is the kind of thing a responsible, professional, even-handed media should be picking up on and asking: “Seriously?”
Your analogy would be germane if you had been elected chairman of (say) your neighborhood association and had had to negotiate sticky issues with the hospital. Otherwise, it seems utterly specious.
By: ultraguy on September 28, 2008
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Oh my goodness…one more thing I just noticed. Are you in all seriousness saying that Palin “passes the test” regarding foreign relations because you can see Russia from a part of Alaska? Seriously?
You know, I used to live about 2 blocks down from a hospital and could see it from my living room window. But that didn’t make me a doctor!
By: Jeff D. on September 28, 2008
at 8:18 am
Oy vey. I am soooo consistently disappointed by my fellow American Christians. They just swallow whatever fits their beliefs, and look at nothing with any kind of objectivity. If they did, they would see the truth–that Sarah Palin is grossly under qualified to be the VP, and potentially, the President. Additionally, she is setting a horrific example for someone who claims to be a spirit-filled, born again Christian. How many lies now? And why again won’t she cooperate with the investigation she initially welcomed? And why doesn’t Todd Palin abide by the laws of our land as the Bible says, and comply with the subpoena?
On paper, it may seem to some or many that Obama and Palin have roughly equal experience (I would disagree). But if you pay any attention at all, it’s BEYOND painfully obvious who is more knowledgeable. Palin scrambles for answers, Obama intelligently and eloquently gives smart and very informed answers. There is very simply no comparison. Why do you think Palin is being sequestered from the media, while Obama has been thoroughly vetted for almost 2 years? And no, he hasn’t always gotten an easy ride.
Palin is being sheltered from sticking her foot in her mouth because they are having to cram knowledge she doesn’t have into that pretty head of hers. Slowly, as she learns more, she is being allowed to answer some questions. How sad, how pathetic. It’s quite clear that McCain made a cynical choice of choosing Palin simply because she’s a young, pretty female, not because she was the most qualified.
And you all continue to fall for it. It’s clear to about half of America and the rest of the world what’s going on. I just pray we can get enough to vote against the Republicans this year…or may God have mercy on us all.
By: Jeff D. on September 28, 2008
at 7:54 am
…While in Alaska several years ago, I saw a bumper sticker “They took God out of the schools and now the prisons are full” Maybe Gov Palin will help us put God back into the schools.
By: Pat on September 22, 2008
at 7:33 pm
fnord – thanks for stopping by!
Yes, of course I do not know God’s plan. Yet to say that I cannot discern hints and whiffs and glimpses of it would also be wrong. That is not an exclusive statement; you can too.
The more important question turns on how we go about that process of discernment (that is, discerning what is true and what is, indeed, congruent with God’s will and plan. What are the sources, institutions and offices in which God has vested earthly authority? E.g., the Bible, the church, the Holy Spirit, etc. How do they work together over time and in context?
I suspect, though I cannot be certain from your comments, that you take a completely pacifistic view of this. I.e., no violence is justified anywhere, at any time, for any purpose. If so, my first question to you is: do you rely on police where you live? And secondly: from what do you derive that conclusion? And, more pointedly: what ‘difficult’ church teaching(s) and scriptural texts, taken in full context, did you have to leave out in order to come to your conclusions?
I would never go so far as to say that it is God’s will that McCain/Palin will be or should be elected. What I was observing, in the original post, was that the over-arching challenge the next U.S. administration will face bears a remarkable resemblance to that which Esther faced. Namely, a concerted and credible effort by tyrannical Persian leadership at exterminating the Jewish people en masse.
By: ultraguy on September 22, 2008
at 7:49 am
Umm, folks, from a norwegian christian: Could it be that you all take the concept of Gods plan a little too far? I seem to remember something about false prophets and so on in the good book? Her stand on the death penalty and her seeming willingness to wage war as the will of God indicates to me at least that she isnt much of a follower of the good lord Jesus.
By: fnord on September 22, 2008
at 4:27 am
Like you I have heard a lot of comparisons of Esther & Sarah. Seems to fit in many aspects. Thing is, God has spoken to many people who didn’t know about the others that like Esther, she has come to the kingdom for such a time as this. My MYspace Apostolic group has been running an active thread on this topic for many days. Truth be told, I was not going to vote for McCain (NAFTA & amnesty). Sarah Palin & God have changed my mind.
By: Donna on September 20, 2008
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“Esther was not a politician but a harem member. “
Point taken. The parallel is far from perfect. One of the things some of us like very much about SP however, is that she didn’t think of herself from birth as a professional politician in the way some do. Ironically, some of those accusing her of birthin’ too many babies are, in effect, accusing her of being a ‘harem’ member to her husband!
But let’s not go down that road, OK?
“Esther was not going to be leading the kingdom in the event of the King’s demise.”
Well she certainly led it before his demise! That’s the whole point of the story! Re. SP not being ‘qualified’, puhleese. I beg you to expand on that one. No. Really. Go for it. Presuming you are an Obama supporter however, mark my words: it will be counter-productive for your candidate, just as it has been for the MSM. That is, in part, the beauty of McCain’s choice and of her candidacy: she’s more qualified as VP than Obama is as President.
Re. Jezebel: amusing but needlessly ad hominem. You were talking above about qualifications and now you’re on her about character also? Both evil and incompetent… wow…
I’m most interested, however, in what you (or any Obama supporter) might have to say about the Iran/Israel/Russia angle — the main thrust of my comparison. You seem to have studiously ignored that here. Wouldn’t you agree that it is one of the most important threats facing world security over the next four years?
By: ultraguy on September 12, 2008
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I don’t know if the Sarah Palin-Esther parellel works very well. Esther was not a politician but a harem member. She got access to the king due to her training in the ways of sensual pleasure.
Also, Esther was not going to be leading the kingdom in the event of the King’s demise. She, like Gov. Palin, was not qualified to do so.
Due to her ambition, cunning nature, self-righteousness and vengefulness, I think Jezebel might be a better Biblical parallel for Gov. Palin.
By: Hal Summers on September 11, 2008
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[...] H/T: John Podhoretz. Comparison to another female leader here. [...]
By: Sarah vs. Hillary « New Wineskins on September 8, 2008
at 6:56 am
Yes, Sarah Palin is in the VP position for such a time as this!
God Bless America, and it can only happen if the right people are in the the place at the right time, doing the right thing.
Patricia
Norman, OK
By: Patricia on September 7, 2008
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