I’ve been mulling this one for awhile… researching and thinking and praying. I’m still not sure it is fully baked — or if it ever will be. I figured I’d offer a theory though, simply because this one comes to us in scripture wrapped up with the direst of warnings. I’d rather err on the side of a possible false alarm than sitting pat and watching more and more folks march merrily along thinking this man is only a politician.
There are many angles to this I wish I had time to explore… but I don’t. I’m increasingly convinced that it’s a rich vein though so I’m hopeful other bloggers (e.g., JRed?) and the well-read and prayed-up commenters here will pick it up and research it further while I’m away on vacation.
Fair warning to the latter: don’t get yer knickers all in a knot over the whole Catholic/Protestant thing. We here are followers of Christ. Full stop. Or to quote the Beatles: “there’s no time for fussing and fighting, my friends.”
In Daniel we read the following:
Daniel 11:30-32
“For ships of Kittim shall come against him, and he shall be afraid and withdraw, and shall turn back and be enraged and take action against the holy covenant. He shall turn back and pay attention to those who forsake the holy covenant. Forces from him shall appear and profane the temple and fortress, and shall take away the regular burnt offering. And they shall set up the abomination that makes desolate. He shall seduce with flattery those who violate the covenant, but the people who know their God shall stand firm and take action.”
Daniel 12:10-12
Many shall purify themselves and make themselves white and be refined, but the wicked shall act wickedly. And none of the wicked shall understand, but those who are wise shall understand. And from the time that the regular burnt offering is taken away and the abomination that makes desolate is set up, there shall be 1,290 days. Blessed is he who waits and arrives at the 1,335 days.”
The word used for ABOMINATION here is Strong’s H8251, שקוץ, pronounced shik•küts’, a masculine noun meaning “detestable thing or idol, abominable thing, abomination, idol, detested thing”, including “of [the] flesh of victims” (e.g., in Zechariah 9:7). First use (key for establishing context) comes in 1st Kings 11:5-7 in which the ‘abominations’ are all idolatrous ‘gods’, e.g., Milcom/Molech of the Ammonites and Chemosh of Moab.
The links above are worth perusing but what these gods have in common is the sacrifice of children. The story in 2nd Kings 23:13, 24 adds Ashtoreth of the Sidonians to the pile and with it, the ’sacrifice’ of a woman’s chastity… and then, of course, the children that result from such a union.
In Leviticus 18:21 (for example) the Israelite is forbidden to sacrifice any of his children to Molech. Similarly, in Leviticus 20:2-5, it is enacted that a man who sacrifices his seed (i.e., his kid) to Molech shall “surely be put to death”. It is also provided that he shall be cut off from the congregation, (in effect, the second, permanent death of the soul).
I kinda knew this already but, going deep on the particulars of those ‘gods’, one is struck by the degree to which child sacrifice is central to OT idolatry and how much God singles it out as uniquely detestable… beyond the pale, as it were.
(A search on the word ‘abomination’ in most versions of the Bible will also turn up Strong’s H8441 with earlier usage (e.g, in Genesis 43). It has a slightly different shade to it: still wicked and idolotrous but more centered on food and ritual. It’s not as specifically about worshipping ‘gods’ that make it a virtue to kill your kid.)
The Hebrew word for DESOLATE in the Daniel passages is translated from Strong’s H8074, or שמם, pronounced shä•mām’.
It’s a verb meaning “to be (or cause to be) desolate, to be made or lay desolate or to make or be desolated, to be appalled, to stun or be stunned, to stupefy, to be desolated, be deflowered, be deserted, to be awestruck, causing horror or horror-causer, to show horror, to devastate, to ravage, to be astounded, to cause oneself desolation, cause oneself ruin”
It gets fifty-five uses in the OT alone. It’s closely related to G2048, G2049 and G2050 as well as H8077, שממה, pronounced, shem•ä•mä’, meaning: “devastation, waste, desolation”. The first use of H8074 comes in Leviticus:
Leviticus 26:22, 31, 32-35, 43 – “And I will let loose the wild beasts against you, which shall bereave you of your children and destroy your livestock and make you few in number, so that your roads shall be deserted… And I will lay your cities waste and will make your sanctuaries desolate, and I will not smell your pleasing aromas. And I myself will devastate the land, so that your enemies who settle in it shall be appalled at it. And I will scatter you among the nations, and I will unsheathe the sword after you, and your land shall be a desolation, and your cities shall be a waste. Then the land shall enjoy its Sabbaths as long as it lies desolate, while you are in your enemies’ land; then the land shall rest, and enjoy its Sabbaths. As long as it lies desolate it shall have rest, the rest that it did not have on your Sabbaths when you were dwelling in it… But the land shall be abandoned by them and enjoy its Sabbaths while it lies desolate without them, and they shall make amends for their iniquity, because they spurned my rules and their soul abhorred my statutes.”
You getting the picture? The punishment for spurning God’s rules and abhorring His statues is the exact opposite of “be fruitful and multiply” blessing. Fewer people.
It’s the gaia mother-earth dead/fake goddess of dirt (confused with ‘her’ creator) finally getting a chance to ‘relax’ after being stressed from too much C02 from all those pesky humans made in God’s image for the purpose of worshiping Him.
So where is this going? Why the big wind-up?
I’m new to this whole prophetic end-times, sign-interpretation, watch-and-get-ready stuff. From what I can tell though, it’s received wisdom among most of those who’ve been doing this much much longer than I have, that the passages in Daniel 11 and 12 refer to a very specific thing with a very specific precedent. That is, the cessation of the Jewish old-temple sacrifices as a result of the antichrist desecrating the temple — the only Jewish OT temple — i.e., the one in Jerusalem.
What temple am I talking about? Precisely. There isn’t one. Not since 70AD.
Thus all the end-times prophetic timelines and scenarios I’ve seen don’t really kick into gear until something temple-like goes up on a specific piece of land in Jerusalem and that can’t happen until certain things unlock politically. I’m still open to that possibility. I’m not saying that it’s incorrect. It may happen too. But something has already happened that fits the bill rather closely IMHO.
All I am suggesting is that when Christ came the first time, pretty much everyone, including his disciples got confused (and in some cases enraged) when he claimed he would “destroy this temple” and “raise it up in three days”. To Christians that’s a fun passage because we can smile smugly and know he was referring to his body as temple (He being God-in-the-flesh, i.e., Emmanuel God-with-us) and that the one made of stone was, by that point, superfluous, at least during the Christian dispensation before the Jews’ eyes are opened by God and they see and appreciate the Messiah in his full glory (i.e., at his second coming).
Could we be confused again?
Another classic prophetic passage packed with meaning is Matthew 24. Verses 15-21 read (Jesus speaking):
“So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.”
Here are two things I’ve noticed afresh with this:
1) I’d always heard the pregnant/nursing women bit interpreted as tying in with the part about flight and winter. As in: wouldn’t it just s*ck to be carrying around a live bowling ball in yer belly or a crying infant on your arm when you had to get outta town? It would and so it has always made sense to me on that level.
Yet now I look at it and think: Wait a minute. What if those two admonitions are only loosely coupled? Sure there’s general mayhem and folks packin’ the station wagon to head for the hills, but what if the ‘alas’ for pregnant women stands alone? As in: alas, for there will be an assault on motherhood itself.
2) I’d always heard the ’standing in the holy place’ bit as referring to the temple in Jerusalem. The ‘holy place’ (and ‘most holy place’) both have very specific meanings in OT scripture, e.g., in Exodus. Yet as I noted above, the OT temple isn’t there. And why the aside from Jesus, (or perhaps Matthew himself), “let the reader understand”. Why is that necessary if it’s the old, simple interpretation of holy place?
What if (and I remind everyone about the anti-Belfast-1980 rule around here)…
Just what if maybe, perhaps… the outer chambers of the Vatican and/or the Pope himself represent the holy place? And furthermore, what if the Pope and the Catholic church fill that role because of their uniquely strong and persistent mission and history within the body of Christ in venerating and standing up for the most holy place we can find in a New Testament context, the very ‘room’ in which Christ manifested as man, namely the womb of Mary and (by extension, all women)?
I’m just sayin’… maybe.
The day before his 77th “first hundred days” were over… the day before he blasphemously said he would ‘rest’, we witnessed the representative of our nation, Obama, standing there shaking the Pontiff’s hand.

TheBible, i.e., the word of God, is just filled with puns and word-play. One need only look at the intricacy of Psalm 119 or other Psalmic acrostics, or at a few of the puns in the original Greek and Hebrew throughout the Bible to see that. Some of them are simply amazing in their subtlety, power, irony and even humor. So I don’t think it’s necessarily an accident that we’ve got our very own Obama-nation abomination. Just because it was used on bumper stickers doesn’t mean God didn’t set it up that way.
It always bothered me, the hand-shaking picture. I’ve blotted out BHO’s eyes based on a fascinating prophecy conveyed precisely six years to the hour before this picture was taken(!!) For those not familiar with it, I highly recommend WordsFromJesus in which this devout Catholic woman Jennifer, in Minnesota began to receive audible messages from Jesus a few months before 9-11. She writes (pdf) about what she says Jesus told her at 8:15AM CDT on July 10th, 2003:
“My people, your time is now to prepare because the coming of the antichrist is near. My people, you are not to even look at the eyes of the antichrist for his eyes have such power that you may fall for his evil plans. Only I can help you continue your journey to heaven for without Me you have nothing.”
WFJ could be a whole ‘nother post. It’s an amazing text, not least for how much it speaks about, 1) how much God abhors abortion (still!), 2) how badly the U.S. has stumbled on this point (even before BHO), 3) how America (and the world) are coming in for judgment, and 4) how short the time is to prepare.
It’s important to add that she is operating in close concert with her priest and her diocese, even though some of the harshest words she has to relay are for people in those priestly roles. She ‘came out’ only reluctantly. The book is free if you send them an e-mail.
Back to the picture (above). How broadly both of them are smiling. PBXVI’s eyes are trained on BHO’s face and BHO’s eyes are on the cameras. Something big was going on there.
Something else I just figured out is that the meeting took place exactly 168 days after BHO, in one of the very first, high priority moves of his administration, struck down the Mexico City Policy, re-opening the floodgates of abortion worldwide.
And there’s that pesky number again… 168.
It’s the year (168 BC) in which Antiochus Ephihanes IV desecrated the temple the first time (the same number as were killed in the Iranian airline crash two days before the Pope’s break). It’s the English gematria of BHO’s boyhood name, Barry Soetoro. It’s the number of hours in a week. (The tribulation is often referred to as the “last week” of Daniel). Ya with me? (There are a bunch of other BHO/Antiochus date parallels with the Daniel prophecies, BHO’s birthday, Tish B’av and the 2012 Olympics that I don’t even have time to go into. Suffice it to say, they are rich and deep.)
Five days later, the same arm the Pontiff extended to shake BHO’s hand was broken. (One commenter noted other parallels with ‘coincidental’ ‘accidents’ and deaths among those the president has come in contact with.)

This all went down during a series of days when a lot of folks were looking for a giant rapture of millions of Christians, pining for a vacation respite in heaven… or maybe a big nuclear explosion or a magnitude ten earthquake. I suspect we were all looking at the wrong things, in the wrong ways, in the wrong places. I suspect we saw Matthew 24:15 fulfilled before our very eyes.
Curiously, the Pope described his accident in terms of spiritual warfare… something I had not picked up on before:
“He is learning to live with a blocked wrist. This is not very easy. The pope cannot write, do handwriting as he desired in these days. But for the other aspects, the day is normal,” said the Vatican…
“Unfortunately my own guardian angel did not prevent my injury, certainly following superior orders. Perhaps the Lord wanted to teach me more patience and humility, give me more time for prayer and meditation,” said Pope Benedict XVI regarding his fall which resulted in a broken wrist.” [said the Pope]…
“Some suffering is not a bad thing,” said Pope Benedict XVI who had two metal pins inserted into his wrist bone after a nighttime fall in his bedroom while on vacation in the Alps.
“What pains him the most is to be no longer able to bless with his right hand [though he appears to be fighting that] and to be no longer able to clasp his hands together. He is learning to live with a right wrist in plaster. The most difficult thing for him is having to give up writing,” said the Vatican. Pope Benedict XVI had planned to write a book entitled, Jesus of Nazareth. “The pope already had the text’s structure outlined in his head,” continued the Vatican’s spokesperson.
Interesting…
The net effect of a mysterious break is to prevent blessing and to prevent writing about Jesus… all after a meeting in which the most likely candidate for antichrist lies directly to the face of Vicar of Christ about wanting to reduce the number of abortions then turns right around and pushes death-care legislation that will do precisely the opposite?
If that combination of events doesn’t add up to an abomination that makes desolate, standing in a symbolically very holy place, if not the holy place, then I don’t know what does.
UPDATE: It just occurred to me that, in light of this increasingly clear identification of the man in the Oval Office, the title of this 2005 book (‘A Table in the Presence’), by Iraq war veteran and former Citadel football All American Lt. and Reverend Carey Cash (the grand-nephew of ‘Ring-of-Fire’ Johnny Cash, and now pastor to the president) is tremendously meaningful.
Cash (the younger) could definitely use our prayers!
Hello Dear Ultra Guy,
People have always and still do snicker whenever I mention the Holy Spirit. Especially the way the Holy Spirit communicates with humans, (namely me). It only takes less than 30 seconds for the Holy Spirit to communicate to my heart what would take a normal person at least 10 minutes to communicate. Only with the Holy Spirit, I hear the truth and understand it immediately. I was exercising on this particular afternoon. Holy Spirit whispered into my heart that BHO would win the election, and that he is the ANTICHRIST. Hillary was still running at the time. I was nervous about mentioning it to anyone. But I did and I got the usual crazy reaction. No way was the answer that I received from those that I mentioned it to. But I knew in my heart that it would take place. Because that’s not the first time I’ve heard that voice. That voice is always right. I do think you are right about The Abomination Of Desolation. Thank You for being there. It all makes too much sense. Your Fellow Sibling In Christ.
By: Teresa Hutchins on September 7, 2009
at 3:29 pm
It is heartening to read so many people concerned about all this! For those who believe the RC Church to be evil, please note you are calling Jesus a liar…you are saying hell prevailed over the Church for 1400 years. Please keep these discussions on a higher level, for this is sad and serious stuff. There is an oid saying, “God can write straight with crooked pens.” I believe that Our Father loves all His children and goes out to find them everywhere. Remember that by their fruits we can know who belongs to God.
[And with that, it may be time to close this thread... -ed.]
By: deanna clark on August 28, 2009
at 2:08 pm
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at 12:18 pm
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By: Camelot vs. Leviticus; The Stoning of the Kennedy Compound « New Wineskins on August 27, 2009
at 2:44 pm
Matt. 24 along with Luke 21 and Mark 13 are parallel chapters. If we keep them in context it is easy to see that Jesus is speaking to the Jews. Remember what was asked in this text; first, When will these things take place? Second, what will be the sign of your return? and third, what will be the sign of the end of the age? It is easy to get confused and insert the Church age into this discourse, that, however, would be an error in sound biblical interpretation. In any exegesis of Scripture the number one law is to understand who is speaking and who is being spoken to. The Church doesn’t even exist at this point in time. Jesus is speaking to His desciples who are Jewish. The Jews still have yet to reject Jesus when Jesus is giving this lesson. The point? Jesus is referencing a Jewish time period. An old testament type time period. Hence the fleeing on the sabbath, and the being delivered to the synagogues. This would be of no concern to a gentile believer. If we remember Dan chapter 9 we will see that the 70 weeks of Daniel indicate that Christ would arrive on the scene in the 69th week and be cut off. The 70 week period of time, or 490 years, is abruptly stopped at the 483 year.
The the man of sin makes a 7 year covenent with the Jews and the 70th week will begin. As for the Holy Place. It is referencing the yet to be built temple in Jerusalem. No other place would be considered holy by Jesus therefore there could be no other place that could BECOME defiled. Anyway, I know this was a bit long but I hope it helped someone. Sound doctrine, and not from the hip speculations, is the only way to interpret scripture.
By: JFM on August 20, 2009
at 7:24 pm
Just a few thoughts along this line. My understanding is not in any great depth, but for what it’s worth –
The protocol for the distribution of the swine flu vaccination when it is of limited supply says 1.Pregnant women
2. Healthcare and EMS workers who have direct contact with patients or infectious substances
3.Household contacts of babies younger than 6 months
4.Children aged 6 months through 4 years
5.Children and adolescents from 5 through 18 years who have risk factors for flu complications.
What does that mean? “household contacts of children under 6 months?” I am reading this as children under 6 months do not get the vaccine and those over 18 do not get the vaccine until these target groups have been vaccinated.
This just struck me as being in line with Peter Singer and some of his statements and evaluations of the worth of life, that he did not think an infant was necessarily human by reason of birth and may eventually become a human being. So this could go beyond abortion and extend even after birth.
Your posts are very thought provoking and sometimes way over my head. (smile)
[Good (if chilling) catch! My posts are sometimes over my head too... (which is usually when I get in trouble).
-ed.]
By: bellalu0 on August 20, 2009
at 6:57 pm
I am gratified to find your intelligent website, and this insightful article. I was raised agnostic, became a Catholic at 19 (largely because the Catholic kids at college were the nice kids), and after that wandered through the New Age, back to a modern apostate
Catholic diocese, into Bible-reading Protestantism…and now am just awaiting Jesus.
I feel it is VERY important to recognize our Catholic brethren as valid Christians; they, like us, have lukewarm Christians but some are born again, in my humble and hotly contested opinion.
As you say, the Vatican MIGHT be the Holy Place.
As of right now, there is no temple on the Temple Mount. Some say it could be set up quickly through a give-away and unholy agreement between the Jews and the Moslems, but I somehow do not see that happening soon unless the Lord intervenes, which He might.
I am bookmarking this estimable site.
Mariel
[Amen, Amen, Amen!! Thanks for this, Mariel. -ed.]
By: Mariel on August 20, 2009
at 10:18 am
The Bible does state “in the holy place”, Matthew 24:15 and “the place it ought not be”, Mark 13:14, causing us to question as to why “the Temple” or a more recognizable locale wasn’t used as specific identifier for a holy site in Jerusalem?
My question is, Was the “holy place” even the topic that was being referenced by Matthew?
Because if we take a look at Luke:21:20, “And when you shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies , know that the ‘desolation’ of it is near”.
The “holy place” has disappeared and the city of Jerusalem becomes the point of identification.
To me, Gavriel, the aside, (let the reader understand), of Matthew 24:15, makes me believe that the “holy place” Matthew saw, is just that:
The holy(est) place in Jerusalem during these ‘last days’ and that is the Kotel, the area in front of and including the WESTERN WALL!
This is where the ‘antichrist’ and his army will gather there and cause ‘horrible’ damage?
They will desecrate the Kotel area and tear the ‘western wall’ down thereby eliminating all sacrifices of prayer.
As a matter of fact there is a 24/7, webcam site from there and it is from this place the ‘sacrifices’ of prayer are prayed three times daily at the “wall’.
There is no “holiest place” in Jerusalem today because the temple mount is already controlled by ‘Allahs’ muslim arabs!
We tend to forget that the antichrist won’t come into Jerusalem UNTIL satan and his angels arrive on earth!
The temple mount is
already ‘desecrated’ by a militant muslim presence!
It won’t be until they get into the ‘western wall’ area, that people will recognize the “urgency of the day” and ‘flee’ to the hills!
The temple mount is not a factor, although the prophecy gurus have made us TO THINK DIFFERENTLY.
Giving Him the glory, gavriel/akaLauren
By: Gavriel on August 19, 2009
at 1:05 pm
Also I think if we obey the Sabbaths of GOd our ecological problems would be over. I think that is the secret to this worlds famine. Spiritually and physically. Obviously GOd’s Sabbath day is the 7th day.
WHich day is the 7th day? Also which is the 7th year to let the land rest. THis could be why all of us are struggling so much. I think that when Israel had not been inhabited by the Jews it was desert like but when they settled there it blossomed. I think that says something about the
Sabbaths. THere is definitely something to that.
http://www.regnumchristi.org/english/articulos/articulo.phtml?id=26213&se=364&ca=118&te=782
http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/aug2009/janm817-3.htm
http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/a-biblical-tragedy-as-sea-of-galilee-faces-drought-13956116.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/296797.stm
By: Bea on August 19, 2009
at 8:25 am
On the temple question, the veil was rent at the moment Jesus perished on the Cross. The veil was the separation between the world and the Holy of Holies inside the Temple, where God occupied. There were actually two, an outer and an inner. If a priest entered into the Holy of Holies unsanctified, he would perish. I’m not sure where it is in the Bible, but the priest entering the Holy of Holies would have a rope tied around himself so that his dead body could be removed, if found to be unsanctified by God. At the moment Christ perished, the Temple veil was rent, no longer separating the world and the Holy of Holies. Jesus sacrifice now sanctifies all who will enter His salvation. His work on the Cross sanctifies man in that God can indwell this Temple (our heart). Jesus knocks on the door and he who hears his voice and opens the door, Jesus will come in. Rev 3:20 paraphrased.
That having been said: How can a temple built by the Jews or any blood sacrifice made, be anything but an abomination to the Lord? It would signify disbelief in Jesus’ lordship and work on the Cross? Building the temple would cause the sacrifice of Jesus to cease. Not that I mean it would make it of no effect, rather a new temple at Jeruslem (and blood sacrifice)would FALSELY replace His sacrifice, ending in the desolation of those who reject His sacrifice for animal’s blood spilt on stones cut by the hands of men.
In Christ’s Service,
Kevin Heckle
By: Kevin Heckle on August 18, 2009
at 3:18 pm
I agree with 95% of this article. However, the English Gematria of Barry Soetoro is 171 and not 168. This is a significant number (171) relating to the number of the beast in Revelation 13:18. 666 is significantly a triangular number, which was a method of counting developed by Pythagoras, a person born only 20 miles from where John penned the 666 number on the Isle of Patmos. Each triangular number has three equal satellite numbers and one core number, which are also triangular numbers that can be reduced to satellites and cores. For 666, the core number is 153 (which is the other mysterious number John penned) and three satellites of 171. These satellite and core numbers can be no other numbers. The Ordinal English value of Barry Soetoro (his alias) is 171. The core value of 153 is the sum of both BASE English Gematria values of BARACK which is 36 and 117. 36 is the triangular root of 666 and 117 is the sum of its simplest divisors 6 and 111. Barack’s statement of working the 72nd and resting the 73rd day was significant. the 72nd and 73rd triangular numbers are the only numbers in which 666 is a satellite value:the core of the 72nd is 630 which is exactly half of 1260 (days the antichrist is given to work – it was his 2nd 72nd); the 73rd relating to creation as it is the Gematria value of the 1st verse in the Genesis at 2701. At the very core of 2701 (703, 190, 55) is the value of 55 which is the Hebrew and English ordinal values of Satan and the Hebrew value of OBAMA.
In Christ’s Service,
Kevin Heckle
[Well shoot, man, if I'm battin' 950 it's a very good day!
Thanks for the correction and value-added information. -ed.]
By: Kevin Heckle on August 18, 2009
at 1:45 pm
An interesting gift exchange between these two. I wonder if Obama will read this book and take it to heart.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article6684340.ece
“Among the gifts the Pope gave the President was a Catholic treatise titled Dignitas Personae, which lists medical techniques opposed by the Roman Catholic Church such as the therapeutic use of stem cells and the use of the morning-after contraceptive pill.
Mr Obama gave the Pope an ivory stole with gold crimson and blue trim once draped around the enshrined body of St John Neumann in Philadelphia, America’s first saint.
At the end of the encounter, held behind closed doors, Mr Obama’s wife Michelle, dressed in black with a black mantilla veil on her head, was also presented to the pontiff.”
By: Aquila on August 17, 2009
at 9:10 pm
another interesting part of the bible is John 13:16-27 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
17If ye know these things, happy are ye if ye do them.
18I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.
19Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.
20Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.
21When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
22Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
23Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
24Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
25He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?
26Jesus answered, He it is, to whom I shall give a sop, when I have dipped it. And when he had dipped the sop, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon.
27And after the sop Satan entered into him. Then said Jesus unto him, That thou doest, do quickly.
By: Bea on August 17, 2009
at 6:43 pm
In the book of Luke it says 21:20 20And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh. So i don’t think we have seen it yet!
[In the ESV, the text reads: "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation has come near."
The question is: What does 'near' mean? How long is 'nigh'?
In our news-driven, modern age, we tend to think of that as days, maybe weeks, perhaps months at most. But could it be years? There are many passages in scripture that 'jump' across a generation or two without more than a semi-colon. You could certainly be right, Bea. But it's also worth keeping in mind th 1967 and 1973 wars. I'll admit it's not a mainstream view, but in a Biblical timeframe, either of those could meet the 'near' or 'nigh' criteria. Afterwards we'd all see it and say "of course!" and think nothing of it. I'm keeping an open mind -- but not so open that my brains fall out! -ed.]
By: Bea on August 17, 2009
at 5:46 pm
Allow me to elaborate on a couple points regarding the connection of children and all this.
1) What is the FIRST command God gave all of creation including man? Be fruitful and MULTIPLY. I suspect the Original Sin allegorically stated as eating the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge involves the knowledge of procreation. The fruit is offered to man from woman. The fruit of woman is the child.
2) As for the sacrifice of children, we need not look very far. Just look to the Aztecs. But more importantly look to, of all people ABRAM. What was his test? The sacrifice of his son, Isaac. Many parallels are in that single story. Isaac is a Jesus-type for God-the-Father tested Abram-the-father in the way God Himself was to provide salvation to man. Would Abram be willing to do what He Himself would do? There was another part to it though… notice how compliant Isaac was? There was no, “Hey Dad what you doin’?”
Just by the story alone, it can be implied that child sacrifice was common place. What made Abram’s God different is that He doesn’t want that from us.
3) Satan knew that salvation for man would come from a child, so what better way to delay it but by having man kill his own. Jump to the birth of Jesus. The slaughter of the Innocents was designed by Herod at the behest of Satan to destroy the Messiah, thus delaying redemption. It didn’t matter that the Messiah was going to die anyway. Jesus had to survive long enough to assume the Messianic mantle which occurred when He was baptized by John. Assuming the mantle, the Messiah pays the PRICE of the FIRST BROKEN covenant… ADAM’s Covenant. Hence, that is why Jesus is referred to as the NEW ADAM. Consequently Mary is referred to as the NEW EVE.
4) The diabolical nature of Eugenics is today’s child/human sacrifice. Kill the the unborn children and kill the unwanted living… all “humanely” of course. By having man kill his own future, Satan actually succeeds in destroying God’s beloved creation.
When many bring up the notion of the “Lost Generation”, that label can apply to several concurrent generations:
The WWI and WWII generations who suffered mightily losing anywhere from 1/2-3/5 of their number through the wars.
Their Children… the boomers; the most self absorbed ME Generation who are collectively lost in their own self importance and have adopted many of the diabolical attributes of the pagans themselves.
And most of all, the aborted generation of children over the last 50 years if not longer. Who nows what doctors, composers, leaders, loving people who were snuffed out and truly lost to this world.
So many lost all at once and ALL living at the same time. But as far as children go… if it legitimately hurts children; it is diabolical. Its always been thus.
Agape
By: archangel on August 16, 2009
at 7:12 pm
VERY thought provoking, however….when I read Matthew 24 in context, verses 16 cleary states : “Then let them which be in JUDEA flee into the mountains”…..verse 20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the Sabbath day:
This is in reference to a specific location…JUDEA, which would indicate to me, an actual temple has yet to be built where the abomination will present itself in Jerusalem. Verse 20, if you understand Jewish law, the Orthodox are not to travel on the Sabbath more than a ‘Sabbath’ day’s journey. The Sabbath is part of the Jewish covenant and by them running for the mountains, they will have to go against their own conviction to do so.
[I'm totally with that. It's always been my interpretation. And that's how it would have made sense to his hearers at the time. But it seems possible. Just possible that the sentences are decoupled. I.e., everyone SEES this thing happening somewhere (via TV, in the papers, on blogs) and yes, the people in Judea need to flee. Both can be true -- related but separate in terms of the stage on which they occur. Maybe. -ed.]
My personal opinion is that Yeshua is speaking to the Jewish people that will possibly be left behind after the rapture (ones that have not accpeted Yeshua, at least not yet)…they will still be keeping the law. Just as a side note…I am a Messianic believer and I DO keep the Sabbath, but if my life was in danger, I’d run for it (as Yeshua said, if a sheep fall into a pit would you not get it out on the Sabbath?) and know that I would be forgiven, just as King David ate the Showbread out of the holyplace but was not chastised by G-d for doing so. But if you understand the mindset of the Orthodox, you’ll understand that they will be hard-pressed to run for the hills if it’s on the Sabbath because they would believe that they should not for any reason…..this was part of the issues Yeshua had with the Jews in days past….Sabbath was for man, not man for the Sabbath and I don’t know that they will understand this…..
I welcome any other thoughts or comments.
Gina
By: Gspin08 on August 15, 2009
at 5:34 pm
http://kenraggio.com/KRPN-TheThirdTemple.htm
By: Bea on August 15, 2009
at 12:44 pm
It matters to God when a man Alters His Law and in turn gets God’s sheep to follow men instead of God. It happened a long time ago but it still matters.
When a man sits over God’s people claiming to be the authority over Gods laws in essence he claims to be God and leads God’s sheep astray is a very very serious SIN.
[First, the Pope does not claim to be God. If you're going to criticize Catholic (or ANY) doctrine, it's best to know a lot more about it and not deal in sweeping ad hominem generalizations. Second, what you say can (and does) apply to any pastor. Third, see my previous note about splinters vs. logs. Fourth, I think we're very clear on where you stand on this. -ed.]
By: Bea on August 15, 2009
at 10:52 am
An important element in discerning if this is the AoD, is in reference to Daniel 12:11- it happens on day 1290 of the last 7.
I think it happened on April 14, 2009 because that is day 1290 of the last 7. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law-not to abolish it. He needs to fulfill the remaining feasts. I believe it started on Rosh Hashana 2005 and will end on Yom Kippur 2012. On 4/14 the potus gave a speech in front of a blackened out IHS symbol symbolizing Jesus at Georgetown Univ. He said he is building a new foundation. (1 Cor 3: 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. Look at many other foundation verses, God is very clear it is He who has laid the earth’s foundation.) That is why it is was so blasphemous.
Here is the speech: http://tinyurl.com/mq4xno
and here is the pic of the blackened out IHS:
http://tinyurl.com/lkr7wo
The Holy Spirit has been prompting me to study the Abomination that causes desolation- as disciples of Christ I think we have had a very fuzzy understanding of it, esp the end time one. We often read about the previous ones and get a conglomeration of them.
By: Mrs M on August 15, 2009
at 10:31 am
We are in the Laodicean church age. The council of Laodicea is very key to this. It is about the laws of God being altered. One in particular is what a covenant with God is about. The sabbath. Whether you worship or esteem one day over another is not the point its whether you change the laws of God. IE The Ten Commandments!
By: Bea on August 15, 2009
at 10:26 am
Speaking of child sacrifices as I learned on the parables blog …the swine flu vaccine cell line started with the eye cells of an aborted baby.
[Link added. -ed.]
So not only will pregnant women and children be first to receive the swine flu vaccine, the beginnings of the vaccine came from an aborted baby- child sacrifice.
This is truly sick and disturbing…. and today when I woke up there are 2 storms out in the Atlantic coming our way and we live in South Florida.
[Well, it is hurricane season... That said, WFJ talks about storms a LOT -ed.]
By: pjcab on August 15, 2009
at 9:55 am
Sorry, but I do not consider the Vatican to be the holiest or even holy. If the temple of Zeus still stood in Pergamos and Benedict was its pontiff, would that still be the holy place? No. Therefore, neither is a pagan temple of Rome and its pontiff.
[See previous comment-on-comment. Thanks for your opinion. As noted above, I strenously disagree -- and I'm not Catholic. -ed.]
By: njartist49 on August 15, 2009
at 9:20 am
May i add when one rides a beast one usually is steering it! or controlling it!
[or not! or it's more subtle than that! or let's think! rather than! throwing out! lit matches! in gasoline-filled rooms!...
fergoodnessakes, let's keep this stuff grounded in scripture.
The woman who rides the beast is (first) a woman and (second) a prostitute. To the extent that prostitutes control their clients, you may have a point. My understanding of that relationship however -- from afar, mind you! -- is that it's not that simple and that this woman ends up consumed.
Look, there are a lot of theories on this floating around out there. You've made amply clear from copious comments, both direct and elliptical, that you think the 'woman' is the Catholic Church in its entirety. That is one theory and so I'm not going to bury it.
But you've said your piece and I strenuously disagree.
Why? It stinks of the same kind of group 'slam' that Jesus looked past when he sat down to eat with... individual prostitutes and sinners. Any characterization of several hundred million people en masse (pardon the pun!) is bound to be wrong about... a few hundred million of them.
Could the 'CINO' (Catholic-in-Name-Only) segment of the American Catholic Church fit the bill? Maybe. Some extremely faithful, Christ-following Catholic bloggers and commenters for whom I have deep respect have suggested as much. Voting patterns; upside-down views on key issues, plus the elevation of folks like Biden and Pelosi tend to add weight to that theory.
But with them we need to throw in the other 'CINO' segment in America (Christian-in-Name-Only). And that pulls in an awful lot of Christmas-Easter sentimentalists, Laodiceans, evangelicals and mega-church social pew-sitters -- among others. Read Rev 2 and 3 and understand that God has something negative to say about most of the seven church types. (Only two come in for round praise. They are extremely rare in the 21st century when held up against historical standards for piety).
We've ALL got our issues (all Christ-following churches). It is my hope for this blog and for comments on it that many in all seven 'types' are inspired to work on the splinter in their own eye first.
If you want to deal with this at the level of subtlety I've attempted above, then fine. Otherwise: we've heard you. Thanks for your ample input. -ed.]
By: Bea on August 15, 2009
at 9:18 am
I believe we are witnessing the under the radar rise of a new eugenics movement, as is expressed by David Rockefeller to the UN on population control. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClqUcScwnn8
It will result in the deaths of millions of fetuses and infants globally. How? The Swine Flu vaccine!!! As stated in 3 of the 4 gospels, “But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days!”
Lets look at some disturbing trends and piece them together:
- UN is quick to classify the Swine Flu as pandemic
- Mandatory vaccinations of the entire population have already started in some countries, Greece, Switzerland is talking about it
- Order of population that are to receive the vaccinations are first: Health worker officials, SECOND: PREGNANT WOMEN, then up the line in age, toddlers, school age kids, 20-40, 40-60 and lastly 65+
- Giving the vaccine to pregnant and infants first will assure they are hit with the adverse side affect of the vaccine and to 65+ crowd last, since they are most likely to die naturally if they contract the Swine Flu before the get the vaccine
- Horrible track record of the vaccine providers. Baxter shipped the H1N1 vaccine to 14 countries, but they screwed up and sent live Avian Flu virus. What the heck!!
- CDC has screwed up swine flu vaccine before. YOU HAVE TO WATCH THIS REPORT. http://fromthewilderness.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/swine-flu-lies-vaccine-warnings/
Neurological disorders could easily kill fetuses and nursing babies
- Our government is gearing up for quarantines. The National Guard has job listings looking with the job title, “Internment and Resettlement Officers” That means round em up and move em people!!!
- John in Revelations says, “Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested; and you will have oppression for ten days.” That means quarantine people!!!
My heart cries that we will witness the deaths of so many innocents.
By: hopeful_watcher on August 15, 2009
at 8:24 am
“And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and is become the habitation of devils, and the hold of every foul spirit, and a cage of every unclean and hateful bird. For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, My people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.” (Revelation 18:2-4 KJV)
[Comment edited. -ed.]
By: Bea on August 15, 2009
at 8:00 am
I’ve been thinking about this article all afternoon and something else came to mind. If I’m not mistaken, one of the topics of discussion between BHO and the Pope is the possibility of the Pope acting as 3rd party mediator over Jerusalem when the peace agreement is signed and the land is divided. That would certainly set the course for the obamanation, I mean abomination.
[I'd have to think about that one. In the meantime, consider who would need to usher through legislation back home to give explicit support to such a thing. I.e., the woman who rides the BHO-beast (Rev 17).
Seven hills? = San Francisco. 'Rides' (i.e., collaborates with) the beast. Cup full of abominations (pro-abortion and other anti-God legislation). Apostate (i.e., knowingly going against the dictates of her own Catholic faith). Woman, drunk with the blood of the saints (i.e., the innocent = aborted babies)... and she's wearing red and bedecked with pearls.
Gettin' the picture?
-ed.]
By: cindy on August 15, 2009
at 2:14 am
If you have never read Paul VI’s Humanae Vitea you should. Prophetized all of this and more.
By: willa on August 14, 2009
at 11:46 pm
I love this kind of commentary! Very thought provoking. Thank you Art!
By: Armageddon Thru To You on August 14, 2009
at 10:43 pm
I’ve always thought that Pope Benedict looks sooo uncomfortable in this picture series. He looks more at ease in the pictures with Michelle, but not alone with BHO. Maybe its just a bad camera angle or the photographer’s focus is more on BHO etc. Maybe its just that he knew BHO was lying to him about reducing abortions, his smiles seem forced.
By: karen on August 14, 2009
at 9:56 pm
We must remember that this particular photo was specifically selected from all the photos taken in that room, by numerous photographers. (I watched it live and heard alot of shutter action) Many times the media speaks, without speaking…a picture paints a thousand words…exactly “what” this photo implies is up to interpretation. Keep praying for discernment and by all means, WATCH! These are the most amazing times. He’s near, I can feel it!
By: Kelle on August 15, 2009
at 10:21 am
2 Timothy 3:12-13
12Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
13But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
By: Bea on August 14, 2009
at 9:34 pm
Right before reading this post I was reading
http://parablesblog.blogspot.com/
which ties together cells of aborted babies and the upcoming swine flu vaccine. Put it together with this information and something is afoot.
By: pjcab on August 14, 2009
at 8:57 pm
Thank you for the link. The blog is informative.
By: njartist49 on August 15, 2009
at 3:45 pm
Really interesting.
You reminded me of something I’d completely forgotten about – this gentleman:
Thomas Muthee traveled from Kenya to Wasilla to pray over Palin during the election season.
There is quite a lot of witchcraft practiced in Kenya.
http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=22994
And Hillary with her broken elbow, when going to a meeting at the White House?
(And Jill Biden’s shoulder)
Hmm, this is too weird.
By: Beth on August 14, 2009
at 7:44 pm
It’s funny that the link says witchcraft is destroying the Catholic Church in Africa (due to unbelief in satanism). Perhaps in some areas of Africa there is a problem with that–such as Kenya, which has a long history with westerners of the Greek mindset. One of our parish priests is from Nigeria, and he is our diocese’s exorcist. He has healing masses every month. Had one last week. The things we see would curl your hair. Casting out demons is not for the faint of heart.
I also agree that the amount of broken bones of people who have been in contact with Obama is very strange. I’m sure there is a whole path we could go down on that one — at least none of Jesus’ bones were broken. But the Psalms and Isaiah have many references to the breaking of bones…
[And the guy in Mexico who died of the flu... and the dog trainer (also dead)... Yeah I know, statistically speaking the pres contacts more people, but really... is this normal? -ed.]
And, yes, referring to Ultraguy’s comment about healing and forgiveness for post-abortion women and men, I agree completely. I have experienced it.
By: Gretchen on August 14, 2009
at 8:14 pm
Ultraguy, I think you’re brilliant! Although, I believe the ultimate abomination of desolation will occur in the soon to be built 3rd temple, I definately think you are on to something. Something happened at that meeting! Something very significant! No doubt about it! Thanks to your fresh look at these verses, I am excited and challenged to look at scripture with new eyes. Your comparison to things missed and misunderstood at Jesus first coming is advice well taken – hind sight as they say is 20/20. If we have our minds locked in to only one scenario or interpretation, we could do the same thing and miss out on the fuller picture!
When you mentioned the pregnant women, my mind went immediately to the fact that pregnant women along with children under 5 and health care workers are the first in line to receive the flu vaccine! Coincidence???
Anyway, thanks again for your hard work and insightful study. I personally am very blessed by it! Cindy
By: cindy on August 14, 2009
at 6:38 pm
There’s another thing I wanted to share…the Bible states “in the holy place” or “the place it ought not be”…the more I reflect on this, I wonder why it was not written “the Temple” , “the holiest place,” “My place” or some other more specific identifier.
Wouldn’t it make sense that if it was the holy site in Jerusalem, it would have referenced with “My holy city” or “The apple of My eye” or some such easily known/recognized locale?
This makes me believe that the “holy place” is just that: A holy place, not necessarily what the Jew or Gentile would consider THE holy(est) place.
By: Ro on August 14, 2009
at 6:32 pm
Eowyn -
Unsettling pics. The eyes have it…
By: Anne on August 14, 2009
at 6:06 pm
Truly insightful and thought-provoking analysis, Art! From the beginning of the ‘08 campaign, I’ve found BHO’s eyes to be frightening, downright evil. For those still not convinced, take a look at the pics I assembled here: http://giovanniworld.wordpress.com/?s=%22eyes+of+obama%22
As for child-sacrifices to Moloch, it goes way beyond BHO to America’s political-corporate-cultural elites who, every summer, worship the gigantic owl-god Moloch deep in the redwoods Bohemian Grove of Northern California. If you haven’t seen the DVD, “Dark Secrets Inside Bohemian Grove,” I highly recommend it.
My best wishes to Art for a restful & fun vacation. God be with you +
By: Eowyn on August 14, 2009
at 4:59 pm
Intriguing reasoning! Lots to think about and ponder. I definitely think it could come down to abortion. It is an abomination and it does leave desolate –not only nations as their populations decline, but those babies who are murdered, and the souls of the mothers and fathers who participated in the sacrifices to Moloch.
[Re. the parents, desolating at least their minds. We have to remember though that for those who turn and seek his forgiveness, Christ is capable of redeeming that and far more (as I know some here can testify). -ed.]
By: Gretchen on August 14, 2009
at 4:17 pm
Several things:
First, I think you’re onto something…
Second, in continuing the “nursing infants in those days” thought, what if this refers to the swine-flu vaccine that may cause severe illness/death to children under 5?
Third, there is something very creepy about that image…there is something just not quite right about it and about what was said (sure, we’ll reduce abortions) and what is being done (sure, let’s increase abortions)…sounds deceitful, don’t it? Oh, wait, father of all lies…sorry, forgot for a moment there…
Fourth, that handshake appears Masonic, but I digress.
Fifth, broken hand…broken pledge?
Just random thoughts in alignment with yours.
Maranatha!
[Great stuff, Ro. Keep 'em comin', folks. The poorly-tested vaccination angle (with prophetic governmental coercion in the name of public health) is one I could easily see coming about this fall. -ed]
By: Ro on August 14, 2009
at 3:48 pm
Wow. Awesome post. I often think of New Testament/Covenant references to Jerusalem as being the Church.
That pic (thanks for covering his eyes) also looks like the Pope is almost saying, ‘Ta da! Here he is!’
[I'm going to reserve judgment on whether he's signaling "here's the ac", or whether, as a man, PBXVI fell victim -- if only very briefly -- to the "powerful delusion" (2nd Thess 2:11) that we're told will lead astray "even the elect" (Matt 24:24). -ed.]
Lately, I get that ‘detestable’ feeling when I see an unrepentant, pro-abortion Catholic politician receive Holy Communion.
Will it all come down to abortion?
Mother Teresa said, “The fruit of abortion is nuclear war.”
Peace, peace and there will be no peace.
Now the propagandists have rewound the book of Genesis completely by chastising God’s first command to ‘Be fruitful and multiply.’
Anyway, have a restful and prayerful vacation sir. You’ve earned it!
PS: Thought of another fracture…Sotomayor’s ankle!
By: Anne on August 14, 2009
at 3:33 pm
I had heard that the Holy Father is unable to elevate the Eucharist during consecration, also.
By: Left Coast conservative on August 14, 2009
at 2:41 pm