Posted by: Art | September 8, 2011

Coming on the Clouds — Introduction

One of the most profound and lovely insights to have dawned on this Jesus-follower over the last couple of years is that the question of whether to take scripture literally or allegorically is not an ‘or’ question at all.

The events portrayed in scripture as having happened in history actually happened, with real people doing real things with (and to) each other, with (and to) real objects, in real space and time as we know it. This fact tends to irk one kind of person. (I still delight in the fact that no archaeological discovery has contradicted the Bible.)

Yet the same stories, statements, people, objects, places and events also carry profound symbolic significance. They serve as metaphors, idioms and ‘pointers’ to deep spiritual truths, and not only in the prophetic or poetic texts. This fact tends to irk an entirely different sort of person.

For example, the Ark of the Covenant, the Hebrew Tabernacle, and the Jerusalem Temples are described as types and shadows of the real thing, in heaven (e.g., see Hebrews 8). They actually existed. They had their use in physical space-time. Now, though they’re gone, their heavenly counterparts remain.

One beautiful and unique aspect to scripture is that truths so complex as to tax the mightiest theological minds (and mine is certainly not one of them) are portrayed via analogies so common as to be understood intuitively by the simplest person who has ever lived. If a picture is worth 1,000 words, then a real physical object or phenomenon is worth 1,000 pictures.

When God then refers to that universally experienced object, substance or phenomena with just a word, what incredible power!! A million-fold? Perhaps. Light. Water. Bread. Who has not experienced these? At various points in his ministry, Jesus equates each of them to a member of the Godhead.

(OK, so maybe Helen Keller didn’t get the ‘light’ part, and those of you with wheat allergies don’t get the ‘bread’ bit, but let’s not quibble. The vast majority of people throughout human history have had direct, regular experience with these three staples of life. There are many other symbolic elements in scripture, but these three are among the most central. Others, such as wheat, operate at their intersection.)

As one reads scripture, from Genesis to Revelation, applying the marvelous and mysterious principle of “expositional constancy” (i.e., each thing means the same thing throughout, across 66 books by 40 authors and several millennia) one discovers more of the constant, unchanging character of God Him/Themself as he allows history to unfold according to his total foreknowledge and plan, intervening in ways both small and large, highly public and deeply personal.

Thus if God is living, and his Word active (and He is both of those) then we cannot limit these symbols merely to the pages of scripture. We can, even ought to also apply them (judiciously, and always consistent with scripture, with the Holy Spirit’s leading) — to the world around us.

One mustn’t equate the world with scripture — though they spring from the same Creator. Nonetheless, it would be awfully strange of God to move so many human Biblical authors to document, for example, dozens of instances of washing in water (as a symbol of cleansing from sin) and expect that we, you and me, should not also reflect on the Father and the sin-cleansing work of his Son, Y’Shuah the Christ, on the cross as we go about our day to day lives and also literally wash with literal, physical, ordinary, abundant H2O water.

Ever give thanks for fresh water coming out of your tap? Despite a week of soaking rains up here in Boston, I try and do this, at least sometimes. It’s an amazing blessing. Much of the world doesn’t have it. I’m willing to bet that our brothers and sisters in Texas and vicinity are doing so more and more as the drought there drags on and the fires rage. So too with the morning light… with bread… you get the idea. We mustn’t worship the physical objects, but give thanks to the Creator for them, and also for how they remind us of His loving character.

But don’t take my word for it. As David expresses, in Psalm 19:1-4a

The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork. Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words, whose voice is not heard. Their voice goes out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. ['end' here implying both space and time]

Or Romans 1:18-20

For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

In other words, God designed general (‘natural’) revelation, before and outside of scripture, in such a way as to be sufficient to enable men and women to be curious enough to credit and seek God. The fact that some don’t is not due to him hiding but to their (our) rebellion, choosing to ignore or discount the plain, abundant evidence.

Enough heavy theology.

The reason I mention all this is as preface to an exploration of what one particular physical phenomenon (clouds) means in scripture, how we ought to think about it in the world, and what it may mean prophetically in this hour, as clouds have become suddenly central to the climate change debate — one which is absolutely about religious worldview: Man-centric or God-centric? Earthly or heavenly cause? Man-curable or requiring God’s perfect, intricate, omniscient guidance.

I’m out of time for today, but urge those interested to read:

- Scripture on clouds (e.g., Genesis 9, Isaiah 14:14 & 45:8, various other prophetic passages on clouds and thick darkness on the Day of the Lord, Acts 1:9-11, Matthew 24:30 & 26:64, Mark 13:26 & 14:62, 1st Thessalonians 4:17, Jude 12 and Revelation 1:7)

- Recent news on clouds (enhanced, it would seem, by cosmic rays from our source of light, the sun)

- A related series of posts I did a few months ago (Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV) on the “bow in the cloud,” (pointer to Christ and His power) especially as it relates to the possibility that Genesis 9:14 offers us not just a pretty rainbow story, but a specific prophecy of the end-times.

When I bring clouds over the earth and the bow is seen in the clouds, I will remember my covenant that is between me and you and every living creature of all flesh.

I.e., does Genesis 9:14 refer to… A one-time past event? A continuing series of ordinary events? An series of intermittent, special events? Or a specific one-time future event? Or perhaps some combination of those.

Even more succinctly: Are the clouds of Genesis 9:14, in which is seen God’s ‘bow’ of power, signifying his covenant of peace the same as those described in Revelation 1:7 on which Y’Shuah the Christ is seen, returning in power to bring ultimate peace?

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  1. Art, In hindsight I realize my last comment may have sounded like I’m a “know it all”. That was not my intention and if you or anyone else took it that way, please forgive me!

    [Didn't even notice! :) Grace and Peace, -Art]

  2. Art, I agree with you regarding there being more to the reference of the “bow in the clouds” in Genesis because the Bible says so.

    Scripture tells us that God has revealed everything to the prophets of the Bible (Amos 3:7), and what was done in the past will be done in the future (Ecclesiastes 1:9), He speaks through things in Scripture that are similar and reveals future things through the duel fulfillment of Bible prophecies (Hosea 12:10) and He speaks “twice” through His Word (Job 33:14).

    When I came to the understanding of this, my reading and study of His Word has never been the same. So many are searching for answers in things like codes and other mystical means when all along God has given us all the answers in His Word and He faithfully rewards those who diligently search and study the Bible.

    God bless you as you do so!

  3. Made me think of this from Josephus -

    Josephus WARS Book 6 Chap. 6 – para 2&3;

    Now there was then a great number of false prophets suborned by the tyrants to impose on the people, who denounced this to them, that they should wait for deliverance from God; and this was in order to keep them from deserting, and that they might be buoyed up above fear and care by such hopes. Now a man that is in adversity does easily comply with such promises; for when such a seducer makes him believe that he shall be delivered from those miseries which oppress him, then it is that the patient is full of hopes of such his deliverance.

    3. Thus were the miserable people persuaded by these deceivers, and such as belied God himself; while they did not attend nor give credit to the signs that were so evident, and did so plainly foretell their future desolation, but, like men infatuated, without either eyes to see or minds to consider, did not regard the denunciations that God made to them. Thus there was a star resembling a sword, which stood over the city, and a comet, that continued a whole year. Thus also before the Jews’ rebellion, and before those commotions which preceded the war, when the people were come in great crowds to the feast of unleavened bread, on the eighth day of the month Xanthicus, [Nisan,] and at the ninth hour of the night, so great a light shone round the altar and the holy house, that it appeared to be bright day time; which lasted for half an hour. This light seemed to be a good sign to the unskillful, but was so interpreted by the sacred scribes, as to portend those events that followed immediately upon it. At the same festival also, a heifer, as she was led by the high priest to be sacrificed, brought forth a lamb in the midst of the temple. Moreover, the eastern gate of the inner [court of the] temple, which was of brass, and vastly heavy, and had been with difficulty shut by twenty men, and rested upon a basis armed with iron, and had bolts fastened very deep into the firm floor, which was there made of one entire stone, was seen to be opened of its own accord about the sixth hour of the night. Now those that kept watch in the temple came hereupon running to the captain of the temple, and told him of it; who then came up thither, and not without great difficulty was able to shut the gate again. This also appeared to the vulgar to be a very happy prodigy, as if God did thereby open them the gate of happiness. But the men of learning understood it, that the security of their holy house was dissolved of its own accord, and that the gate was opened for the advantage of their enemies. So these publicly declared that the signal foreshowed the desolation that was coming upon them. Besides these, a few days after that feast, on the one and twentieth day of the month Artemisius, [Jyar,] a certain prodigious and incredible phenomenon appeared: I suppose the account of it would seem to be a fable, were it not related by those that saw it, and were not the events that followed it of so considerable a nature as to deserve such signals; for, before sun-setting, chariots and troops of soldiers in their armor were seen running about AMONG THE CLOUDS, and surrounding of cities. Moreover, at that feast which we call Pentecost, as the priests were going by night into the inner [court of the temple,] as their custom was, to perform their sacred ministrations, they said that, in the first place, they felt a quaking, and heard a great noise, and after that they heard a sound as of a great multitude, saying, “Let us remove hence.”

    Interesting in light of -


    Matthew 24: 29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    Not saying anything necessarily, just sharing. Though I will add that for a few weeks I have been noticing the clouds and praying if the Lord was trying to show me something I wasn’t seeing clearly . . .

    Peace,
    William

    [Fascinating... Thanks, William! The shutting gate reminds me of what Jesus said just prior to that, in Matthew 23:38 at the end of his 'Woes' speech to the Jewish leaders who had not recognized him: "Your house is left to you desolate." Chilling. Less than forty years later, that was made plain to all in the physical.

    It also occurred to me the other day, reading similar prophecy, in Joel 2 that, in addition to their literal historical-prophetic meanings, the darkening of the sun and moon suggest an occlusion of Mystery Babylon and her dualistic worship which puts one or the other in a place of prominence. More specifically (and speculatively) the moon "turning to blood" (Joel 2, Acts 2) may reflect the ancient moon-centric aspect turning to bloody conflict (see Judges 8 regarding the system which gave rise to Islam), and in similar fashion, the Holy Spirit leaving the RCC (a big part of the sun-centric 'side' of Mystery Babylon in modern times). -Art]

  4. The first edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica described the Hittites as “a mythical people mentioned in the Bible.” Heh

    As for the close relationship between factual and allegorical truth, especially in the Bible, that was a recurring theme for CS Lewis, too. It was one idea that I did not have to discover, because I read it when I was eighteen, in “Mere Christianity.” [I've been a good deal more thick-headed. The Lord tends to have to repeat things with me. :) -Art]

    The purpose of education is, or at least, ought to be, to give a young person the wisdom at eighteen that he might achieve by fifty, otherwise. I don’t know whether it was bad education, in a highly regarded university, or just the incorrigible nature of youthful ignorance, but it didn’t work with me, nor with most of the people I know. Still, I learned a bit from Lewis, at least.

    [At the rate things are going, I *might* make it by fifty. -Art]

  5. http://news.yahoo.com/closest-human-ancestor-may-rewrite-steps-evolution-141606435.html

    speaking of archeology not contradicting the bible. I find it so strange that they find these bones and all of a sudden, this one is the missing link that proves evolution. And all the condescending comments toward Christians at the bottom were horrible. Satan must be getting desperate.

    Susanna

    [Thanks for this, Susanna. When looking at something like this (the old-seeming humanoid bone find in S. Africa) it's important to separate the discovery itself, and what it proves, from assertions about what some wish it would prove.

    Such rigor is seldom applied in news reports, or even in science writing, which often tends to conflate one or more man-made, incompletely proven if tantalizing theories with a new fact as if ALL of it were proven to the same degree.

    To use an imperfect analogy, one might place a rock at the top of a large stack of pillows only to find that it causes the entire stack to fall over. Setting The Rock, Jesus Christ, as foundation, and identifying pillows as such will tend to lessen this problem.

    FWIW, I intended that statement to apply to diggings in the Holy Land, but as you suggest, it could apply far more broadly. As I understand it, there have been many critics and scoffers, over time, who have said, in essence, "Well, you haven't discovered this or that and so the Bible must be wrong," forgetting that archaeology (or paleontology) can only cover a tiny fraction of what was once above ground.

    The discovery of the Pool of Siloam (see Nehemiah 3:15 and John 9:7-11) was one such event. It was thought not to exist. The discovery was officially announced August 9th, 2005, precisely 1260 days before BHO's inauguration... the same day Benjamin Netanyahu resigned in protest over Israel's planned pull-out from Gaza. - Art]


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